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Hufffnstuf
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| ogre wrote: | May one interject?
Disrespect to the flag of one's country is wrong. Why? Because it is not the COUNTRY that is in error but one's Government.(Opinion)
IF violence should be shown, then it should be directed at one's Government.
But I guess some think burning a flag loved by many is safer than burning a minister's motor.  |
The question here is should people be locked up for burning or otherwise abusing a flag.
You may think it wrong but should it be against the law?
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War Pig
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: |
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I state that vandalism is not free speech. Speech is speech - talking and writing. Actions are a different kettle of fish. I have stated numerous times I fully support your right to talk about flag burning all you like, or to castigate the government by voice, the written word, film or music.
But burning a flag is an ACTION, not speech, and all men are answerable for their actions. Free SPEECH allows protesters at a G-8 summit in Chicago to protest, but NOT to pillage, burn and riot in general.
Do you support so-called "anarchists" at G-8 summits who run about in masks, breaking storefronts and setting things afire? They call it exercising free speech. I call it vandalism, misdemeanor and felony.
Those who will burn a US flag say they are exercising free speech. I challenge that. It is not speech, the free expression of ideas, but a physical act of vandalism and desecration.
One can have both free speech and protect the flag, the nation's symbol, at the same time. For some 200 years we had both free speech and flag protection running concurrently and we did just fine.
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ogre
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Hufffnstuf wrote: | | ogre wrote: | May one interject?
Disrespect to the flag of one's country is wrong. Why? Because it is not the COUNTRY that is in error but one's Government.(Opinion)
IF violence should be shown, then it should be directed at one's Government.
But I guess some think burning a flag loved by many is safer than burning a minister's motor. |
The question here is should people be locked up for burning or otherwise abusing a flag.
You may think it wrong but should it be against the law? |
Emphatically, yes!
Why? Because the road to rebellion is through disrespect and insult.
If you remove protection from certain caveats in society, there will always be the extremists who abuse that privilege.
I have no time for abusers of my country or flag- the COSG. AND,in some cases, the Union flag.
It is disrespectful and rebellious and encourages the destabilisation of my country.
If they dislike the Government, well, we have the polling booth.
If they dislike our laws, well, again, they have legitimate protest on the streets.
If they dislike our flag? They can leave these shores and try to find the libertry they have here, elsewhere.
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Hufffnstuf
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| War Pig wrote: | I state that vandalism is not free speech. Speech is speech - talking and writing. Actions are a different kettle of fish. I have stated numerous times I fully support your right to talk about flag burning all you like, or to castigate the government by voice, the written word, film or music.
But burning a flag is an ACTION, not speech, and all men are answerable for their actions. Free SPEECH allows protesters at a G-8 summit in Chicago to protest, but NOT to pillage, burn and riot in general.
Do you support so-called "anarchists" at G-8 summits who run about in masks, breaking storefronts and setting things afire? They call it exercising free speech. I call it vandalism, misdemeanor and felony.
Those who will burn a US flag say they are exercising free speech. I challenge that. It is not speech, the free expression of ideas, but a physical act of vandalism and desecration.
One can have both free speech and protect the flag, the nation's symbol, at the same time. For some 200 years we had both free speech and flag protection running concurrently and we did just fine.
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I dont support the anarchists but i do support their right to protest as long as they dont break the law.
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ogre
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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I dont support the anarchists but i do support their right to protest as long as they dont break the law. |
And if the law is in place against abuse of the flag?
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Hufffnstuf
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| ogre wrote: | | Hufffnstuf wrote: |
I dont support the anarchists but i do support their right to protest as long as they dont break the law. |
And if the law is in place against abuse of the flag? |
That would be in the crossing bridges when we get to them files.
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War Pig
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And we have that bridge in the US to cross.
I support free SPEECH which does no harm. The free expression of ideas. Not vandalism.
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